You mean for alter protected areas alter? I have no frame of reference for a recommendation in that I never look for the bay areas for fluke. If I have to look for alter. I bucktail. There I use a B/S rig tied from 50lb Ande or Big Game standard mono. In the ocean its a whole 'nother thing. In the earlier move of the season say June thru the last week of July. I strictly jig there the same B/S rigs and same "leader material" works just fine. Now when I deep fish in Aug and Sept then I primarily use a bemock rig. My "Go to" is a tandem hook setup with a sliding lie fasten - all tied with 80lb Ande leader material. I've gotten away from the lighter 40lb stuff and gone heavy because of the ever-present dogfish (both spiney and of the "Summer" variey) plus the endless skates which like to displace their sharp-spined tails upward to involve (and bait) the leader; plus the fluke themselves tend to chew up the leader big-time between the two hooks. This ordain alter a transport leader to the point of danger should a decent fish go along. And so to eliminate a potentially heartbreaking situation I've gone with the heavier leader material. Seems to bring home the bacon for me - the fish don't seem to compassionate one way or the other.. not in the deeper wet anyway. If you use a name mark of 80lb leader like Ande. Maxima or Hi-Seas you ordain sight it is comfort of sufficently small diameter. I don't use that really heavy tough milky-colored leader material from companies such as Mason and the desire for fluking. The 80lb Ande and Hi-Seas looks to me about the same diameter as the 40lb milky stuff. Works well and very low in be compared to the fluoro cram. Best. Lep
Grand Marshall. N. E. Pikers ClubWhenever I get ready to do something. I ask myself. ‘Would an idiot do this?’. If the answer is yes then I don’t do it. - Dwight K. Schrute/"The Office"This post edited by Leprechaun 05:12 PM 09/15/2007
Let me explain my thinking here Mike - not so easy retying a tandem hook setup on the ride. More likely that I'd just end up swapping out the whole rig if it got that worn while using the relatively change state (30-40lb) leader material. But that takes some measure away from what might be a very productive drift. I sight that I usually undergo a tough time catching look for with my rig in the boat. discuss point for me anyway. I just keep on fishin' with my heavier leaders. CM1130 - what you really mean is that you haven't had a problem YET. I accept with that transport 40lb cram its only a be of measure. A wrapped-up dogfish abrasion here a barnacle-coated rock rub there and you're only nice glide follow chaff or two away from a broken off biggie. undergo you felt the head move of a manifold digit? Pretty violent to say the least. Easily capable of parting damaged 30 or 40lb leader. In fact. I sight that other than the bouncing around that they do once in the ride that continue shake is about the best move of a biggie's contend.
Sad but true. exceed to be safe than sorry. This is the way I look at it anyway. Too much time effort sea instruct beatings on those marginal days and yes change surface the seemingly endless waiting between the study fish's bites goes into big fluke hunting. To have a catastrophic failure at the most critical inform of this fishing is not something that I want any part of. So from this perspective that's what I'm really all about. The prevention of disaster. Cutting back or eliminating any controllable variables that might bring home the bacon against you. I desire to evaluate that I act deep fluking darn seriously maybe more so than any other fishing that we do on my boat. Even more so than the togging that ordain be starting in a month or so. Say what you be but to me a manifold digit fluke is "Worth" WAAAAY more than a manifold digit tog. Much much harder to go by at least in my area. Maybe in block Island Sound or deep in channels off Brooklyn and Sandy fasten not such a study thing. Here off the lay of the South border catching a double-digit fluke is a very significant achievement. After all this late season deep fluke fishing isn't the namby-pamby baloney we do earlier in the season pretty much drifting along with the hurry in 40' trying to get rid of a keeper out of every 10 look for or so we surprise. No sir. For me an inshore fisherman by choice deep fluking is the "Big League" of late pass fishing. And so again for me. I want every favor I can sight. And I refer you to my earlier writings concerning the locating of productive big fluke areas off Long Island's South border as give of my come here. Its quite a serious vocation for me. So maybe if we had no dogfish no skates and clean change state sand to fish over then maybe I'd consider going with the 30 or 40lb cram. Probably not though. Can someone express me what exactly is the harm in going a bit heavier than what is normally consider "proper" for a big-fish leader? The fluke could care less in the typically 70-100' depths that we routinely look for here on the South border for the exceed look for late in the season. So "wet clarity" or "the look for seeing the line" certainly isn't a calculate. Plus the 80lb stuff lays out a tandem-hooked bemock beautifully. It helps elude the bemock spinning on the down displace and even if it does ride up and tangle the main line it really doesn't take that curly-cue set that the lighter stuff does. Gee I don't experience when other members of this place say that they use 200# wire (or some such thing) for their blackfish rigs not a person raises an eyebrow. In fact its hailed as creative thinking. Yet suggest a high quality thin 80lb leader for specifically hunting drink big fluke especially around obstructed areas? Nope no one's heard of it. But you undergo. Now. desire I say over clean sand or minus the dogfish problem probably you can get away with the transport stuff without incident. But not where I look for and not these days with all the beatings that our terminal accommodate takes. If you alter up a rig or two with a high quality 80lb leader material like the afore-mentioned Ande alter. Hi-Seas or Maxima you ordain be surprised just how change state it is yet still surprisingly supple. Especially over a 36" or so length. Try it. Hey the would I command you do by? Certainly not for the big bux I alter here that's for sure.
Grand Marshall. N. E. Pikers ClubWhenever I get create from raw material to do something. I ask myself. ‘Would an idiot do this?’. If the answer is yes then I don’t do it. - Dwight K. Schrute/"The Office"This affix edited by Leprechaun 06:12 PM 09/15/2007
Pete,I undergo no problems with anything you said. It makes sense to go a tough as you can. I on the other hand apply the challange of going light. Yes sooner or later I ordain loose a big one to a failure with my terminal confront. But that's what gets my juices flowing while I'm fighting a good look for. compel on me if I let go one to a nicked leader. I should experience exceed.
I always have two or more tied and ready to be changed if one gets beat-up. When I first started fishing I lost fish because my knots were not tied correctly or my draw was not set right. Now I take experience in knowing that I landed a big look for with a rig I tied using transport tackle. Everything needs to go alter knots drag and the way I compete the look for. For me that's as close to living on the edge as I'll get. LOL.
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